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What documentary is Gabe referring to in his tweets?

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What documentary is Gabe referring to in his tweets?

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Athena, l was thinking Gabe was talking about this documentary, but reading some of the newest tweets today it seems he "Gabe" might be working on his own documentary. Gabe claims he has video tape he never turned over to Dave Holloway, and my take other details he hasn't shared.
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So Gabe withheld information and who is he talking about when he tweets it's her investigation, sounds like something else is on the works.


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It happened in 2010 it's part of the documentary it's going to blow everyone's mind I have videos that are not in the documentary

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Just curious, but if she's been buried for 12 years then why are there only bone fragments instead of a complete skeleton?

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Just curious, but if she's been buried for 12 years then why are there only bone fragments instead of a complete skeleton?

this guy said that she was moved from a different location and that they burned her remains, or something.
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So now we won't learn the truth from the documentary???

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wasn't it already filmed?
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wasn't it already filmed?
Yes from our understanding, but according to Gabe somethings will not appear on the documentary, I'm getting a feeling that if true Gabe will have a documentary as well.

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I've been watching the show with Dave H and his PI working with Gabe who is house sitting John.

I've been waiting for some word from Beth Holloway who has always seemed to be a straight shooter. So far only silence.

To me all of this has been only a money maker for all involved.
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I've been watching the show with Dave H and his PI working with Gabe who is house sitting John.

I've been waiting for some word from Beth Holloway who has always seemed to be a straight shooter. So far only silence.

To me all of this has been only a money maker for all involved.
If I recall Beth didn't want to be part of this documentary.
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Forensic Scientist on Gravesite Find in Natalee Holloway Case: ‘Can We Use It to Identify Natalee?’

BY JEFF TRUESDELL•@JHTRUESDELL

POSTED ON SEPTEMBER 9, 2017

A forensic scientist says there’s reason to believe that human remains allegedly dug up in the case of Natalee Holloway match the timeline of her presumed 2005 death in Aruba and the secretive removal of those remains five years later.

Dr. Jason Kolowski made that assertion on the fourth episode of the six-part Oxygen series The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway, which aired Saturday.

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“The lead is interesting, but it’s one part of a lot of other things that still have to fall into place to really give this investigation the legs on which to then move forward in handing this over to the Aruban police,” Kolowski says on the episode.

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“You’re really questioning right now the forensic value of what may be left behind,” Kolowski told Ward.

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“From what I can tell you, based on everything that is described as far as the disinterment of the remains in 2010, [it] fits with what we would expect for the normal decomposition of the human body, especially in this type of an environment and this type of a locale,” Kolowski said.

To Ward’s investigative team, he added: “The $100 question that you’re not asking is, is that material biologically active and can we use it to identify Natalee?”

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“That’s kind of where the problem comes in,” he says. “It’s decomp material. It’s not exactly blood. It’s not exactly bone or hair or anything like that. Should we find bone, hair even soft tissue still in that gravesite, that’s your biological material. That’s what we want for the DNA comparison.”

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>Kolowski, the forensic scientist, recently confirmed that at least one of four bone fragments recovered by Holloway and Ward’s efforts match a Caucasian of European descent, like Natalee, but DNA tests to find further links are pending.

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MEET THE FORENSIC SCIENTIST WHO’S HELPING IN THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S REMAINS

Dr. Jason Kolowski explains how he traveled to Aruba to help identify potential burial sites and how he's testing the DNA of discovered bone fragments for a possible match to Natalee Holloway.

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Perhaps more enticing for TJ Ward, Dr. Kolowski says: “Every contact leaves a trace. That’s a mantra. That’s a tenet within forensic science, and we are always going to be able to go back and find something, something left behind to help us identify that missing individual.”

Dr. Kolowski’s tenet may prove to be accurate.

As Oxygen.com recently reported, at least one of four bone fragments that are ultimately discovered through TJ Ward’s investigation on the show came from a single human of Caucasian, European descent—just like Natalee. But while people are eager for the final results, Dr. Kolowski, who is coordinating the DNA testing, says the science takes time.

“I would never want the laboratory to skimp on anything, mainly because there’s a chance that something from this case could develop into a criminal case in the future,” says Dr. Kolowski. “We really do need everything done on the up and up and done with the full compliance and quality checks and quality processes along the way so that nothing can be called into question later on.”

The testing process is time-consuming, according to Dr. Kolowski, because the bone fragments contain mitochondrial DNA as opposed to nuclear. “With nuclear DNA we’re utilizing a technique called PCR, polymerase chain reaction,” Dr. Kolowski tells Oxygen.com. This technique makes billions of copies of the DNA, which can be utilized and analyzed in the laboratory. “When you’re working on nuclear DNA the PCR process is literally one step. It’s very quick. It takes a couple of hours and you then generate all of the data you’d be looking for in the nuclear profile.”

The PCR technique is also utilized for mitochondrial analysis, but multiple rounds must be completed. Scientists amplify certain regions of the mitochondrial DNA they are interested in targeting, and then must sequence the DNA. “So we’ve now introduced a second step that’s way above and beyond what we’d have to do for nuclear DNA,” explains Dr. Kolowski. The sequencing is time-consuming as each and every base in the DNA strand must be read. “Let’s say we have a strand of DNA, you can read it forward and you can read it backward, and you can also start at different locations and read it forward or backward,” Dr. Kolowski says. “So what we’ll do is set up several different reads of the mitochondrial DNA sequence so that each of the individual reads, forward and backward, is an internal quality check.” If the separate reads are put together, he says, and they still look the same, meaning the sequences overlap and they line up perfectly, then the quality control is done.

Dr. Kolowski’s background and experience well-positions him to determine whether the bone fragments will turn out to be a match to Natalee Holloway. He has a master’s degree in Forensic Science from John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a PhD in biochemistry from CUNY in New York City, where he focused on mitochondrial DNA and the forensic application of mitochondrial analysis. “It just so happens that is exactly the type of analysis that we are doing in this case,” says Dr. Kolowski.

Dr. Kolowski worked for 12 years in New York City at the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in the DNA laboratory, where he helped grow the lab from a fledgling operation of 35 to a staff of 275. “Back in 2001 there was a push to do mitochondrial work,” he recalls. “I went to the FBI Academy, and got trained on how to do mitochondrial analysis.” After working for the New York City Medical Examiner’s Office, Dr. Kolowski became the director of the D.C. Crime Lab, Department of Forensic Sciences. In 2015, he founded Forensic Insight Consulting, LLC. His private firm does case reviews and advises attorneys on data they may have for their cases, and also helps laboratories to improve their processes.

When Dr. Kolowski traveled to Aruba he gave TJ Ward and Dave Holloway an idea of what to look for in a potentially clandestine burial site, including the signs of how a site might appear. "I did a lot of research on the geography and soil and the climate of Aruba to better understand how bodies would break down if they had been buried in different types of soils and regions of the island,” he explained.

“When they did uncover some human remains down the road and they happened to be bone samples… that’s insane because my actual expertise is mitochondrial DNA above and beyond anything else,” says Dr. Kolowski. “To have bone samples present in this case, and to have me as the forensic scientist, it was the perfect storm of all of these people coming together to work on this one particular case with all of the expertise in the right spots.”

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After watching last nights show it seemed to all hinge on finding the burial place that John told Gabriel about.

Did they find it and find a bone?
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Not sure why this guy waited so long to come forward (sorry haven't really followed it that closely to know), but it all seems "off" to me somehow.

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JORAN VAN DER SLOOT’S FRIEND SAYS THEY BURNED NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S SKULL IN A CAVE

SEPTEMBER 16, 2017 • 7:53 PM ET
“The only thing that got burned was the skull to burn the hair fibers,” says Joran's friend. “It was doused in gasoline in a fire pit in a cave.”

In episode 5 of “The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway,” John Ludwick, who is a friend of Joran Van der Sloot, claims on video that he and Joran burned Natalee’s skull in a cave in Aruba in 2010. Natalee went missing in Aruba on May 30, 2005. She was 18 years old at the time. While Joran has been a prime suspect in connection with her disappearance and is the person with whom she was last seen alive, he has never been charged to due a lack of evidence.

“The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway” chronicles Natalee’s father, Dave, and his private investigator, TJ Ward, chasing a new lead in the case. In the clip above, John has agreed to talk after an informant working with TJ recorded him saying that Joran Van der Sloot paid him $1,500 to dig up Natalee’s body.

Asked where he took the remains, John says Joran had initially discussed having them cremated. While it was illegal to bring in human remains to be cremated, John says that some morgues in Aruba would cremate pets. “The idea was to crush everything to the point where it wasn’t recognizable as her bones or skull or anything like that,” says John, explaining that he and Joran spent hours pummeling the bones.

Natalee’s skull was also apparently burned in this process. “The only thing that got burned was the skull to burn the hair fibers,” says John. “It was doused in gasoline in a fire pit in a cave.”

What is striking about this clip, aside from the heinous actions that John is describing, is the visceral and pained look on TJ Ward’s face. We can only imagine what it’s like for father Dave Holloway to see the footage. After 12 years of searching for answers, hopefully closure is imminent.

Bone fragments discovered during the new investigation by Dave Holloway and TJ Ward are currently in a lab for DNA testing. The forensic scientist leading the charge, Dr. Jason Kolowski, told Oxygen.com at least one of the bone fragments is from a single individual. “They are human, and they are of Caucasian, European descent,” he said. Natalee, who was declared legally dead in 2012, was also Caucasian and of European descent. Final DNA results are expected by late September or early October.

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Forensics results are in for the Aruba remains believed to be Natalee Holloway's

by: Rare.us Updated: Oct 3, 2017

Remains discovered in Aruba as part of a new investigation into Natalee Holloway’s death are not hers, according to a forensic scientist who tested them.

“Out of the four individual bone samples only one was found to be human. The mitochondrial DNA bone sample was not a match to [mother] Beth Holloway, and so it was ruled out as being Natalee Holloway,” Dr. Jason Kolowski told Oxygen following the end of the network’s “The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”

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Skeletal Remains Found in Search For Natalee Holloway’s Body Do Not Belong to Her

Human bone fragments found in Aruba that were suspected to be those of Natalee Holloway do not belong to the dead American teenager.

Dr. Jason Kolowski, a forensic scientist leading the testing and interpretation of the results, told Oxygen Monday that tests on the fragments came back negative. The fragments did not belong to Natalee, whose body has never been found.

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So sad. I feel awful for Natalee's family but either there are some half truths going on or someone is lying or both. Someone needs to pay for this and not the family.
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