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Many of us have likely had the experience of an unknown man in a car or alley or wherever exposing his penis as we walk by. Just that impersonal pale salute is sexual harassment.
Some can pull it off, most can't.
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Did he intend for you to see that? There is a difference between that and sending a female co worker a picture unsolicited. But you know that.
I'm guessing everyone pretty much knows when their balls are exposed
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Fox News fired him, so that's good enough for me as to if something happened or did not.

At this point, I'm more sad about his kid than mad about what this guy did.

But seriously, why the hell are there some who think you want to see that shit?

They have got to be drunk or on drugs. It's just so hard to understand how they could do that sober.
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Many of us have likely had the experience of an unknown man in a car or alley or wherever exposing his penis as we walk by. Just that impersonal pale salute is sexual harassment.
When it's done in the workplace, by a co-worker, in person, or by text, to a personal phone, unsolicited, it doesn't matter if you're a politician, an athlete (Brett Farve should have had a stellar career in the media post NFL career, but he's toxic), or working in the private sector: http://www.cosmopolitan.com/career/a...sment-at-work/

Yes, it's sexual harassment, it can & will cost the sender their job, their reputation & often times cause irreparable damage to their personal lives should the victim choose to pursue the matter.

On the other side of the coin, the women could ignore it, until they can ignore it no more, leading to a lack of productivity due to an inability to focus, or allowing the situation to exceed their level of tolerance causing them to leave the job resulting in an adverse economic event.

So yeah, the guy on the beach is an annoyance, but I can move from that area of the beach & I have no obligation to return to that space. The guy and/or girl in the workplace is creating a hostile work environment, because the co-worker has no choice but to share space with the abuser day in and day out, if they want to keep their job. The behavior may or may not be criminally actionable, but it's certainly actionable in civil court & based on current law it's not only the abuser who faces monetary penalties, but the employer as well should they choose not to act on the matter when brought to their attention, and at a higher monetary risk.
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Please leave discussion of politics out of the thread. Being a Trump supporter or not has nothing to do with the topic
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When it's done in the workplace, by a co-worker, in person, or by text, to a personal phone, unsolicited, it doesn't matter if you're a politician, an athlete (Brett Farve should have had a stellar career in the media post NFL career, but he's toxic), or working in the private sector: http://www.cosmopolitan.com/career/a...sment-at-work/

Yes, it's sexual harassment, it can & will cost the sender their job, their reputation & often times cause irreparable damage to their personal lives should the victim choose to pursue the matter.

On the other side of the coin, the women could ignore it, until they can ignore it no more, leading to a lack of productivity due to an inability to focus, or allowing the situation to exceed their level of tolerance causing them to leave the job resulting in an adverse economic event.

So yeah, the guy on the beach is an annoyance, but I can move from that area of the beach & I have no obligation to return to that space. The guy and/or girl in the workplace is creating a hostile work environment, because the co-worker has no choice but to share space with the abuser day in and day out, if they want to keep their job. The behavior may or may not be criminally actionable, but it's certainly actionable in civil court & based on current law it's not only the abuser who faces monetary penalties, but the employer as well should they choose not to act on the matter when brought to their attention, and at a higher monetary risk.
You are absolutely correct. There is a difference in an accidental exposure due to an inadequate bathing suit and repeated workplace harassment.

In some cases though it can be stopped absolutely cold if women spoke out firmly and directly to an "offender". A sharp rebuke can stop a rude comment. It can stop the potential escalation with a simple threat. I'm not excusing the sending of penis photos or some really blatant and offensive remarks or suggestions. Of course those go beyond a little naivety on what is a gross offense. I wouldn't destroy someone's career for a simple comment.

BTW, to be fair, women can also be guilty of harassment. Powerful women executives can make a few demands of males working under them.

The basis for the law is that when an employer is informed that harassment has occurred, they must promptly act and it often results in at least a suspension. It may be painful to lose a good sales manager, even temporarily, but it has to be done. That was done in the case of Eric Bolling. He was eventually severed from his position. We have no clue to any private negotiations, but Fox decided to terminate his employment.

I was put in the position of attending employment law seminars after several legal changes came about. That put me in charge of any instance of harassment and other issues at times. I had to hold true to my ultimate boss, the corporation's exposure if we chose to ignore a serious issue. Thank goodness I had backup with an in house attorney.

And to agree with @Athena; politics should be excluded. Fox is a business and it could be any other network, politician of any party, private business, male or female. It happens across the board.
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Almost forgot about one complaint where I could be rather independently wealthy now. The car business changes in a New York minute. A new manager came into the Porsche/Audi dealership where I was assigned as the controller at the time. The management style changed from central accounting to the locations and back to central several time. So, new manager came to me and fired me on the spot, LOL. He told me point blank that he wanted a man in my position. I called the CFO who was my ultimate boss overall and was brought in to the main office. Ultimately, I had to clean up the mess his "man in my position" made of the books. I found out later I could have sued big time for this offense. Sometimes I wish I had. Oh, the ups and downs of being loyal.
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Almost forgot about one complaint where I could be rather independently wealthy now. The car business changes in a New York minute. A new manager came into the Porsche/Audi dealership where I was assigned as the controller at the time. The management style changed from central accounting to the locations and back to central several time. So, new manager came to me and fired me on the spot, LOL. He told me point blank that he wanted a man in my position. I called the CFO who was my ultimate boss overall and was brought in to the main office. Ultimately, I had to clean up the mess his "man in my position" made of the books. I found out later I could have sued big time for this offense. Sometimes I wish I had. Oh, the ups and downs of being loyal.
I think there are millions who could sue and win but they don't. A few people make a fortune. Same with other things, squeaky wheel gets the grease.
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You are absolutely correct. There is a difference in an accidental exposure due to an inadequate bathing suit and repeated workplace harassment.

In some cases though it can be stopped absolutely cold if women spoke out firmly and directly to an "offender". A sharp rebuke can stop a rude comment. It can stop the potential escalation with a simple threat. I'm not excusing the sending of penis photos or some really blatant and offensive remarks or suggestions. Of course those go beyond a little naivety on what is a gross offense. I wouldn't destroy someone's career for a simple comment.

BTW, to be fair, women can also be guilty of harassment. Powerful women executives can make a few demands of males working under them.

The basis for the law is that when an employer is informed that harassment has occurred, they must promptly act and it often results in at least a suspension. It may be painful to lose a good sales manager, even temporarily, but it has to be done. That was done in the case of Eric Bolling. He was eventually severed from his position. We have no clue to any private negotiations, but Fox decided to terminate his employment.

I was put in the position of attending employment law seminars after several legal changes came about. That put me in charge of any instance of harassment and other issues at times. I had to hold true to my ultimate boss, the corporation's exposure if we chose to ignore a serious issue. Thank goodness I had backup with an in house attorney.

And to agree with @Athena; politics should be excluded. Fox is a business and it could be any other network, politician of any party, private business, male or female. It happens across the board.
& then there's the case of the guy who persists, despite rebuke, despite casual report to superiors, despite official report to superiors. It happens, I know this from personal experience with a long term previous employer that happened to be a division of the US government. Granted this was a male dominated environment, in a traditionally male occupation. But that's no excuse for the behavior when a not naive, perfectly capable, productive, self sufficient, professional & assertive married woman makes clear such advances are unwelcome, in measured escalating steps.

But here's the thing, in my current work place & most work places, there's a zero tolerance policy regarding inappropriate or harassing communication and/or touching, personal relationships between co-workers are discouraged. It's in the employment handbook of nearly every company in the country, which every employee signs upon hire, at this point. Changes to that handbook are communicated in writing to all employees at the time of change.

So why exactly is the onus on the harassed to rebuke, when by the rules of professional conduct, it should never be necessary. The situation should never occur, especially between superior/subordinate and/or senior/junior employees.

The rules of conduct are taken so seriously in my current workplace that siblings cannot work in the same department & should co-workers working in the same department marry, one needs to leave the department & the fact of it is a huge scandal, likely to stall the career of both in their tracks. If they haven't gotten where they're going, they'd be best to send out their resumes.
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After the law passed, many a employee handbook was rewritten. And yes, I have to recall the co-workers that marry. Happened where I was. A manager fell in love and married a service office manager. He was transferred over as the BMW service manager and she remained as the office manger with Cadillac. Separate payrolls all together. Both were great employees.

Do I need to tell you about before the law about the one of the "courier/runner" that picked up the mail and ran contracts to banks? They were semi retired. One total idiot lost his job when he came to work with a with a coffee mug that was made so that one side was a woman's breast with a nipple where you could drink your coffee. He began to walk around the office with it as he drank his coffee. Yep!!!! Guess who got his ass fired? And this was before the harassment law passed. And he thought it was cute. Sorry, guy, it was not funny in the least bit.funny in the least. Bad decision and not the joke he thought it was. Yep, shit happens when you make stupid decisions. Good riddance .
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It also happens that people flirt in the workplace sometimes leading to marriage. Flirting and sexual harassment sometimes depends entirely on being welcome .
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If the advances are received and accepted willingly it is not harassment.
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If the advances are received and accepted willingly it is not harassment.
In some cases, not all, until she changes her mind. Seen it happen.
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I think there are millions who could sue and win but they don't. A few people make a fortune. Same with other things, squeaky wheel gets the grease.
It is allegations that porn was sent....several years ago. Bolling has a strong lawsuit. I hope he wins.
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If the advances are received and accepted willingly it is not harassment.
But for others it can be a hostile work environment. Seen it happen.
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In some cases, not all, until she changes her mind. Seen it happen.
Which is exactly why it should never happen in the workplace. There's a time and a place for everything. If everyone conducted themselves as dictated by the rules of workplace conduct, there would never be a problem.

Why would any guy leave his future and livelihood in the hands of someone else? Keep personal personal, professional professional, and there won't be a problem. It's a really simple concept. The company isn't paying anyone to advance their love life. It has no place in the workplace.
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But for others it can be a hostile work environment. Seen it happen.
I so agree. Even when both parties are in favor of the relationship -- even if it is just extremely and intimately flirtatious, there is an implication of favoritism and power among fellow workers. Sometimes it turns out fine. Many times it doesn't.
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Saying prayers for Eric and Adrianne.
I can't even begin to imagine the heartache.
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He Didn't Intentionally Kill Himself

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https://www.longroom.com/discussion/...bled-in-heroin
That's a LOT of drugs he was partying with. Wow. So according to his friend it was accidental. I don't really see what difference it makes. It's tragic, either way.

Hopefully we'll get a more educated opinion from an "actual doctor" when the autopsy is released.
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